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« Reply #60 on: June 30, 2009, 12:34:04 AM »

baka applied hidden knowledge!  (regarding pleasures of the flesh)

sabi nga nila "ang bawal ay masarap gawin."  exciting and adrenalin rush raw.

pwede natin matawag na applied hidden knowledge. nuon pa alam na yong bawal pero mahirap gawin sa pinas kasi maraming kapitbahay na walang gawa at mahilig sa controversia.
pero pag dating dito sa city of angels ay inaapply. probably di mapansin ang "secret practices" kasi almost everybody is busy doing their "thing."  Grin

am i right or am i right?

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(ang mandurukot/swindler ay isang kriminal)


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« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2009, 02:01:21 AM »

baka sea-debris morality.

when a plane crash into the sea, the lighter broken pieces float on the sea.

while the heavier broken parts remain in the ocean floor.

in analogy, the "heavier" (well learned and best practiced) the morals the unlikely it would become suspended keeping you in company in the hours of your test.

the "lighter" (just memorized)  the morals, probably it would float in times of tribulations leaving you in fear and confused. very easy to do mistakes when in fear.

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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2009, 03:22:02 AM »

Morality upheld - Sa Pinas - mabait na tao, makatarungan, disente, mapagkakatiwalaan, hindi nag-two-two-taym sa missis.

Suspended morality - Sa Tilandya - sinwits-off ang morality (kaya sinuspenda ang morality).  Eh hindi naman sila nasa Pinas. Wala namang makakakita sa kanila dito sa Tilandya.

Is it really like this or were these people just continuing what they were doing in the Philippines? Were they already like this even before they came here? Or were they just tempted?

Kahit saan ka , if you have the morals.. then you will be moral.. being far from your wife doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want..one should guard the heart with all diligence for out of it comes the the issues of life.
temptations will just remain temptations if we remain untempted...we are surrounded with them.. we say sa kanila na yun.. but what if you are the receiving end of the pain of infidelity, the loss of hard earned money and what else.. we don't really know until we are there.. for those who make light of these things.. step lightly. the consequences of immorality goes further down.
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« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2009, 05:08:41 AM »

Sa aming mga taga-Dabaw - we have a word GABA.  It is this GABA that I am so afraid of.  Almost like a CURSE for doing some thing wrong.  My parents always said that having extra-marital affairs is bad luck - kasi GABA-AN ka.

In a way, I think that GABA is also your conscience working double time - when you knowingly did something wrong.

Morality upheld - Sa Pinas - mabait na tao, makatarungan, disente, mapagkakatiwalaan, hindi nag-two-two-taym sa missis.

Suspended morality - Sa Tilandya - sinwits-off ang morality (kaya sinuspenda ang morality).  Eh hindi naman sila nasa Pinas. Wala namang makakakita sa kanila dito sa Tilandya.

Is it really like this or were these people just continuing what they were doing in the Philippines? Were they already like this even before they came here? Or were they just tempted?

Kahit saan ka , if you have the morals.. then you will be moral.. being far from your wife doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want..one should guard the heart with all diligence for out of it comes the the issues of life.
temptations will just remain temptations if we remain untempted...we are surrounded with them.. we say sa kanila na yun.. but what if you are the receiving end of the pain of infidelity, the loss of hard earned money and what else.. we don't really know until we are there.. for those who make light of these things.. step lightly. the consequences of immorality goes further down.
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« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2009, 06:48:57 AM »

we live in a very complicated world where in some quarters it's hip to be a sinner and gaba is a cycle of life.

sabi nga ng friendster status : it's complicated.

(most of us are not in the position to cast the first stone.)

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"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...."

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

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walang peace sa mandurukot!

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« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2009, 07:07:13 AM »

we live in a very complicated world where in some quarters it's hip to be a sinner and gaba is a cycle of life.

sabi nga ng friendster status : it's complicated.

(most of us are not in the position to cast the first stone.)

Smiley

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...."

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

peace stone!

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(ang mandurukot at magnanakaw at swindler ay isang kriminal!)

walang peace sa mandurukot!



Gaba can be noted well..but what if they did really suspended the morality already...what if they only believe to what they think and feel? His or her own personal choice...we can't blame them then...we have our own morality which we believe that that's true and unchangeable...but they have their own "morality" too which they believe by themselves...we find them doing the wrong thing because we were thought that having an affair is really wrong even they know their partner have someone else already or in most case they pretend they don't know..still his or her action is his or her responsibility..we are here to enlighten them to what we believe a "good morality" means..

yet, still don't deny that and we must realize also that the "morality" is changing too..and here in thailand even we keep believing that having a "kik" is wrong but there are a lot of people enjoying that freedom to have a lot of "kik" in the lives...as saying always goes..doing wrong it what makes them happy...who H_LL cares! Don't Know
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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2009, 07:36:27 AM »

We know a few people that are ika-nga - misbehaving. Alam nating na hindi tama ang kanilang ginawaga. Hindi tayo umi-imik. Tahimik lang tayo kahit na alam nating na mali yung ginagawa nila. Pretend lang tayo na hindi natin alam yung ginagawa niya.

Mayroon kaming trabahante. Alam ko na ninanakawan kami. Nuong pinatalsik ko tong balasubas na ito - yung ibang mga trabahante biglang nag-open up at ibinuhos yung mga kabalbalan na ginagawa nitong na football.  Dapat ang ginawa ko nuon - lahat yung mga nagsalita - finutball ko rin.  BAKIT?  Kasi - parang accessory to a crime sila. They allowed the crime to happen.

Isda - hindi ko naman hinahatulan ang mga nagkasala. Linalayuan ko lang sila kasi hindi ako sang-ayon sa ginagawa nila.

Tungkol sa mga Gik - lagi kong iniisip - kapag nagkasakit ako - lagot ako at mga anak ko. Yung lang ay sapat na para sa akin na maging matino.  Ibig sabihin ba eh hindi na ako mag-teteybol ng chikas?   Belly Dancer   Drool Wala namang problema yun basta't mag-isa ka lang pag alis mo sa beer garden or pub. heh heh...   Beer

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"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...."

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Gaba can be noted well..but what if they did really suspended the morality already...what if they only believe to what they think and feel? His or her own personal choice...we can't blame them then...we have our own morality which we believe that that's true and unchangeable...but they have their own "morality" too which they believe by themselves...we find them doing the wrong thing because we were thought that having an affair is really wrong even they know their partner have someone else already or in most case they pretend they don't know..still his or her action is his or her responsibility..we are here to enlighten them to what we believe a "good morality" means..

yet, still don't deny that and we must realize also that the "morality" is changing too..and here in thailand even we keep believing that having a "kik" is wrong but there are a lot of people enjoying that freedom to have a lot of "kik" in the lives...as saying always goes..doing wrong it what makes them happy...who H_LL cares! Don't Know
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« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2009, 02:48:32 AM »

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(most of us are not in the position to cast the first stone.)

Smiley

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...."

"Judge not lest ye be judged."


(ang mandurukot at magnanakaw at swindler ay isang kriminal!)

walang peace sa mandurukot!


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exactly.. and discussing the consequences of immorality does not mean we judge..nobody could ever cast the first stone but it doesn't mean we keep mum and ignore issues that plague and destroy marriage and families. we are no better than the swindlers we look down as criminals..though the end never justifies the means.. one's motive for swindling maybe to feed a nd keep a family as one may steal and die for love ones.. but immorality only destroys.. never builds or keeps . also it is putting oneself in a  no win situation.That's why we are given a conscience.. to know and choose right over wrong..we may fail and fall but less when we follow Jiminy Cricket's advice.. " The Dancing The Dancing  So let your conscience be your guide.. Kumbaya Don't Know

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« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2009, 07:21:03 AM »

morality, ethics, and "sin" aside, meron talagang mga taong "sociopath".

ito po yung mga taong tunay na walang pakialam sa iba.

it doesn't matter kung sila ay relihiyoso, padre de pamilya, may posisyon or power, pari, nasa NGO, etc. sila ay basta na lamang gagawa ng gusto nila, whether magnakaw or maghanap ng "on da side" [kabit, ika nga]. para po itong psychological na sakit: ang sabi ng mga scientists, hindi daw well-developed ang isang parte ng kanilang utak, kaya sila ganun kumilos. sila ang mga tunay na suspended kanilang moralidad.

i am not making excuses for them, rather I am suggesting a reason for their unreasonableness.

doon sa ehemplo ni Ms Demi Noor, baka akala lang natin na okay yung mga magnanakaw/isnatser na Pinoy dito sa bansang ito. baka di natin alam, gawain na nila noon pa yang pagnanakaw, di lang nahuhuli or small scale (petty) crimes lang sa umpisa.

PS at OT:
doon po sa mga "Tagalog-centric" people, ay wag po sanang masyadong isipin na ang katagalugan ay sobrang istariray sa Pinas o dito sa bansang ito. hindi nga po lahat ay marunong managalog kahit ito pa ay tinuturo sa eskwela sa ating bansa.


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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2009, 03:49:26 PM »

It's been really fun reading this thread, lalo na nung "buhay" pa si Manang D.

OT muna ako to start with: a friend shared an article from the Economist on the diminishing English proficiency of Filipinos, even English teachers at that. Marami daw hindi man lang pumapasa sa English proficiency test, kaya tuloy, call centers supervisors are thinking whether to stay in the Philippines or take their businesses elsewhere. Hindi po magandang balita ito, dahil call centers are bringing in jobs to Filipinos. The Economist cited the culprit for this problem as no other than this : the change in the use of Filipino rather than English in certain school subjects.

Kaya po, please lang, tama na ang debate over whether we should be speaking in English or in Filipino (or Tagalog, whatsoever). I am A Filipino and am proud of being a Filipino. We used to be looked on as far better speakers of English than anybody else in Asia, but because somebody among our policy makers thought we are not being nationalistic by speaking English in schools, we are losing our edge in the job front outside the Philippines today. we have become like internet users who wanted to go back to a time when computers were not heard of. What's nationalistic about that?

End of OT

MDN, thank you for this thread. 'Really thought provoking.

Yes, i agree with those who posted before me that not one of us has any right to cast the first stone.

But i also agree that if we feel and think and believe one of our dear friends is going astray (merong GF but may wifey and family sa Pinas) we have a responsibility, even an obligation to tell them where we stand on the issue. However, like Erick said, 'madaling sabihin, mahirap gawin'. Sometimes, it's awkward. Sometimes, you are not close enough to the person to feel confident enough to tell them what you think. At other times naman, you are too close to the person that you have come to fully understand WHY they are doing it.

I think being in a foreign land gives us all a sense of anonymity. To some who have had bad experiences back home, this new soil gives them a fresh start, a new life, a new beginning. And for a time, perhaps the novelty of things shakes us off our moral foundations, and so, humans that we are, we make mistakes.

One thing I believe is this: in a marriage, and in a family, only the people from within are the only ones who know the real score. Nobody else from without knows the real story. And if there are kids involved, most times, they are the glue that keeps it all together, no matter what storms may come.

Therefore, to the question of whether there is indeed such a thing as "suspended morality", I say, "Yes. Hard may it be to swallow, but the problem does exist. And indeed, it is a problem."

But it is not just a problem faced by Filipinos. A farang friend of mine said this, "I've seen many a good men fall once they came to Thailand." It's not this country's fault, nor its women's. It simply is the very differences between cultures (kasama na rin morality doon), that make it difficult for men to stay loyal to their wives once they see the contrast. (But let us not forget, that there are some Pinoy men who also fall for other Pinays while here in Thailand).

Maybe the next question then would be, what should a wife do, to win her husband back? Ay, paumanhin kay MDN. Dapat siguro sa ibang thread ito'ng question na to. Ot na naman yata.  Back to Topic


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« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2009, 04:08:31 PM »


Tungkol naman sa mga magnanakaw o illegal recruiters, tapos ang kanilang reason ay dahil gusto lang nilang bumuhay ng pamilya, I say, "Come on, kumita na po yan!"

Kakayanin ko sigurong mamalimos alang-alang sa mga anak ko, pero ang manlinlang ng kapwa and call it a job, wow, mahirap yatang ijustify yan sa itaas.

I have heard so many sob stories of people who are victims of illegal recruiters, and to think, puro pa Pinoy and mga nangrecruit na ito.

On these situations, I think it's already a habit, and it just so happened that in Thailand, there was a chance for these people to do it on a large scale.

Good luck na lang sa kanila.

One wise advice I've come across over the years that i can never forget: "TELL THE TRUTH, IT IS EASIER TO REMEMBER." And perhaps, it also follows when we say, "LIVE A MORAL LIFE, YOU SLEEP BETTER."

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« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2009, 12:14:39 PM »


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It's an issue.

I think no matter where we are, we shouldn't forget how we are raised and who are we really. I have also to include what does our faith tell us to do. I believe, we have been taught on what's right and wrong and these are the treasures we always carry and can never be taken away from us, but if we ourselves leave them, then it's a problem. If this won't be corrected,  could be a strong social problem in the future. Sa totoo lang, nakakahiya sa lahi natin, kasi naman mga ilan lang ang gumagawa, damay tayo lahat at damay pangalan. Sabihin Pinoy style, mga gawain natin, mentality natin....nakakalungkot! Sad

It's not bad to be flexible, to dream etc... but yes, we should know our limits and we should stand firm on our beliefs and values. What isn't good in Pinas is the same wherever we are.Too bad and talagang nakakalungkot kapwa pa Filipino ang mga binibiktima at involve sa mga ganyan. Mga extra marital affairs din, I heard marami dito, pinay pa, ano po bah ang nasa 6th commandment?

This is not judging one, I believe I  don't have the right, but I think we have to stand up para ituwid kung ano ang mali.  Kumakatok lang po kasi I think some need to be reminded kung ano ang dapat isipin, nasa kanila na kung ano ang dapat gawin, kumilos kung gustong itama ang mali. Mahirap na, baka dumating ang panahon na kahit sarili mismo hindi na makikilala.....Kahit ano po'ng rason, mali po eh. 

Daming possible effects to anticipate, if it gets worse masisira buhay at marami pang buhay..common sense lang ....wala na ding  maniniwala sa lahi natin,some would think Pinoys are this and that, unfair pero may mga basehan eh so we can't blame. Okay lang po kung hindi tayo mayaman basta marangal and matino lang. Disiplina, nandiyan ka pa bah???



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