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[blubinginone]

I am still anxiously waiting for my Idol BP to resurface.  I am actually getting worried why he hasn’t been around for four days now; his last few posts appeared on the 15th actually.  This is in total contrast to how I observed his activities in SP.

During the fiasco in the thread “Some Koreans are viewed as cancer in Phil. Society”, he was teasing so hard Idol PP to start posting counterattacks in another thread of his interest.  He was so fervent about doing that; but now that the situation turned around, he became silent.  Question is, is he now experiencing “debate karma”? Or, perhaps, still gathering solid facts for his arguments and I so definitely like that.  Or, maybe still, he opted to be silent because he has accepted defeat this time.  In any case, I just like to hear from him, so much like to hear from him.

Next, he claimed once that he is only kind of free on Saturdays.  Okay, I waited until Saturday.  I even relaxed a bit watching the championship game of Idol Steven which was really worth an entertainment, by the way.  But, even Sunday passed and nothing was still heard from him.  And now that it is already Monday, it is becoming unacceptable or maybe - alarming.

Where has he really gone?  I used to sing Enya’s Sail Away, a song fit for a debater king like him; but I am beginning to change my mind.  I am starting to hymn my version of this Enya’s song entitled “Tail Away”.  Here it goes:

Let me tail, let me tail, let the BP kinda flow,
Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of my SP.
Let me tail, let me tail, let me crash upon his shore,
Let me reach, let me beach far beyond the BP Sea.
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

Come on, sing with me, yo!...Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

Cheers!  (O, walang personalan ha, debate debate lang…he…he…he)

[LAPU-LAPU]

@BLUBINGINONE

Buddhist Punk is a nice lady.

i guess she doesn't need to be patronized.

maybe she'll be here soon.

my thoughts.



peace yo!

[blubinginone]

Thanks, Lapulaps.  I will just be waitin' then...he...he...he 

I am not patronizin' though...just teasin'.

Cheers!

[blubinginone]

Mr. Punk blatantly disagreed with Fr. Reuter’s pronouncement .... = What other way is there to disagree with a written post but "blatantly"?

...
In summary, is prayer the only answer?  No, it was never explicitly stated in Fr. Reuter’s passage.  ...
Do you see any other suggestion by Fr. Reuter in the article? Here's what he said:

It is time to move the battle to the spiritual realm. It's
time to claim GOD's promise of healing of the land for
His people.

but we never tried so hard praying to God together. ....

We prayed during the original People Power, Corazon Aquino always prayed on television with thousands of Pinoys, Fidel Ramos always prayed [at least in public] and pled to pray together, GMA attends mass and prays or says we should pray together. We always pray. Is there improvement, though? Didn't the Philippines continue in a downward spiral? What's the difference between praying together and praying at different times of the day? In one's heart and in public? The Bible says "where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there shall I be also". That's all God requires, 2 or 3 people. Did he let us down? Does he only listen to Christian prayers or are prayers to Allah also being considered? What about prayers of Buddhists? Or is God like so many bigotted white people? Ignoring the pleas of Filipinos? WHY is he ignoring the pleas of millions of Filipinos?

Indeed, it does begin with, Filipinos being nice to each other....

That sounds very beautiful for grade 4 kids to hear. But we are adults and not naive anymore. Truth is, we are already morally bankrupt, never mind "nice" to each other. Have you read the papers lately? There are dozens of extraordinary stupid things people do to each other.

LOL! Ahhhhh, eto pala yung sinasabi ni bb1 na so-called challenge. Hahahahaha!

Well you said a lot of things, all sound and fury, signifying nothing. You dwelled on God, religion, belief, prayer, and especially semantics ["belief", "I believe"] but you have not touched one sentence about:
- our being the only Christian country in SE Asia, yet the most poor [probably a correlation there]
- our being morally bankrupt despite the above [yet another correlation there]
- all that praying, yet, not only NO improvement but also continuing downward spiral [Insanity = doing the same things over and over, expecting different results everytime ~ Einstein]
- priests not educating the masses despite wielding control/ influence over them
- the church very much against contraceptive practice, claiming God is displeased, despite the obvious fact that we are overpopulated
- unmarried priests [no experience, no firsthand knowledge] telling people to marry and have children w/o regard for financial situation [Just do it]
- instead we get palliatives from Fr. Reuter, "just pray to god and everything will be alright again", "pray together" - what does that accomplish, really?
- I find the above disingenuous, even dishonest; where are the realistic solutions?
- We should stop depending on and eventually blaming politicians, gets us nowhere; they are blind and deaf to constituents anyway
- We should start working out our own financial salvation, starting with savings; Keyser-soze mentioned this in his posts. Thais are always at the ATM, depositing money. Even if that were not entirely true, we should start saving.

Darfur quoted Korean student Jaeyoun Kim; the guy is spot on in pinpointing the cause "no love of country". To which I agree.
There is no sense of patriotism, the one thing we should all learn from the Thais. They love their country, we don't. Why don't we love our country?
The "why" is debatable, and I think the answer is a circuitous line of cause and effect.

I also agreed with lengradwilson, fiscal mismanagement as primary cause of poverty. The people who hold the keys to the country's coffers have bled/are bleeding it dry. There is no budget, or maybe there is but someone has his/her hands in the cookie jar.

I am talker, an objective one and in this case, I will remain within the realm of facts and not dwell on the emotions and borrowed quotes of my opponent, Buddhist Punk, in this issue.   

Let me start by saying that my opponent’s rebuttal is gleaned towards contextomy as she opined, “Do you see any other suggestion by Fr. Reuter in the article? Here’s what he said: (Quote) It is time to move the battle to the spiritual realm.  It’s time to claim God’s promise of healing of the land for His people.”

I have declared that Fr. Reuter has never explicitly stated that prayer is the only answer.  Reading between the lines of that declaration and Fr. Reuter’s quote, has there been any mentioning of prayer being the only answer?  Yes, prayers always connote spirituality and we all know that; but, in the statements at hand, never even once it was mentioned that prayer is the only answer.  What is just so evident is the suggestion of returning to God in more faith.  Of course, Fr. Reuter and I know that this is not the days when God has summoned His Son to do miracles in front our noses.  We grew up not only in the belief, but also in the knowledge that God provides the way, but people should do the action; and He will never provide the way if people will not ask His absolution.  This is where the essence of the spiritual realm comes in and not assuming from Fr. Reuter’s quote the suggestion that prayer is the only answer as what my opponent is claiming even in the beginning.  The worse is she (whatever) is becoming fond of quoting out of the whole context, a major fallacy which brings all her arguments worth trashing for.

Second big thing is that my opponent averred, “We prayed during the original People Power, Corazon Aquino always prayed on television with thousands of Pinoys, Fidel Ramos always prayed [at least in public] and pled to pray together, GMA attends mass and prays or says we should pray together. We always pray. Is there improvement, though? Didn't the Philippines continue in a downward spiral?”

The above argument of my opponent reflects his grave idiocy as presented by the graph I attached to this post.  As can be seen in that graph, there is no indication that the Philippines has undergone a downward spiral in terms of our country’s GNP during the regimes of Cory Aquino and Fidel Ramos.  The graph only supports the fact that the prayers and actions of the two former presidents have triggered some hope for the Philippines to develop, as my opponent herself claimed that Aquino and Ramos both prayed hard as they ruled the land.  And just so to enunciate, yes, they both prayed and acted to make the Philippines better.  This is exactly what I am talking about: prayers and actions combined is what Filipinos need to make their lives better, something that Fr. Reuter also wants to say.  And this is a fact, no doubt.

Next, my opponent mentioned in her disarray the following proofs of verbosity:

- We should start working out our own financial salvation, starting with savings; Keyser-soze mentioned this in his posts. Thais are always at the ATM, depositing money. Even if that were not entirely true, we should start saving.

- Darfur quoted Korean student Jaeyoun Kim; the guy is spot on in pinpointing the cause "no love of country". To which I agree.
There is no sense of patriotism, the one thing we should all learn from the Thais. They love their country, we don't. Why don't we love our country?  The "why" is debatable, and I think the answer is a circuitous line of cause and effect.

- I also agreed with lengradwilson, fiscal mismanagement as primary cause of poverty. The people who hold the keys to the country's coffers have bled/are bleeding it dry. There is no budget, or maybe there is but someone has his/her hands in the cookie jar.

My opponent is a well known voluble deceiving speaker and the above borrowed quotes put her further to this category.  They show how ravaged is my opponent’s stance in this issue.  She utilizes a rhetorical technique of establishing her arguments by the use of materials which arguments sound plausible and superficially appear to be well-researched; but, in reality, are yet unfounded. 

In addition, my opponent contradicted her very own Christian existence as she said, “That sounds very beautiful for grade 4 kids to hear. But we are adults and not naive anymore. Truth is, we are already morally bankrupt, never mind "nice" to each other. Have you read the papers lately? There are dozens of extraordinary stupid things people do to each other.”  I very well know that she is a church-goer, a “nice” person and nobody can argue with that.  Does this pronouncement mean that she is not “nice” in any way?  She goes to church to pray, right? Does this mean she doesn’t believe in prayers which she indulges herself?  Another ricochet!

Finally, let everyone be reminded that I purposely did not give credit to my opponent’s remaining arguments in her first presentation as they are deemed useless because they are products of her beliefs.  Again, this is so because she doesn’t believe in beliefs, so why should we listen and give credence to things she believes.  This is a simple logic which doesn’t need further explanation, unless a person groping for sustainable arguments like my opponent, Buddhist Punk, considers otherwise.  In that case, she can very well be apprehended into the world of losers.

Note: Look how reader-friendly my post is.  I hope this very presentable way of posting arguments be followed by the concerned. Thanks.

[blubinginone]

(Kailangan na akong masanay sa opponent kong si Buddhist Punk sa thread na ito, i.e. kung wala siyang masabi mawawala siya ng ilang araw after I post my counterattacks...But the good thing is, she never tried to tease me the way she teased Proud Pinoy to argue with her.  Okay, I understand that she knows how to look up to things...Alam nya siguro kung sino ang katatapatan niya sa mga debatehang ganito....Okay, kakanta na lang ako ulit ng favorite song ko for Buddhist Punk...yun bang hango sa kanta ng "Enya"...heto na........)

Let me tail, let me tail, let the BP kinda flow,
Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of my SP.
Let me tail, let me tail, let me crash upon his shore,
Let me reach, let me beach far beyond the BP Sea.
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

Come on, sing with me, yo!...Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

[blubinginone]

(Kailangan na akong masanay sa opponent kong si Buddhist Punk sa thread na ito, i.e. kung wala siyang masabi mawawala siya ng ilang araw after I post my counterattacks...But the good thing is, she never tried to tease me the way she teased Proud Pinoy to argue with her.  Okay, I understand that she knows how to look up to things...Alam nya siguro kung sino ang katatapatan niya sa mga debatehang ganito....Okay, kakanta na lang ako ulit ng favorite song ko for Buddhist Punk...yun bang hango sa kanta ng "Enya"...heto na........)

Let me tail, let me tail, let the BP kinda flow,
Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of my SP.
Let me tail, let me tail, let me crash upon his shore,
Let me reach, let me beach far beyond the BP Sea.
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…
Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

Come on, sing with me, yo!...Tail Away…Tail Away…Tail Away, ye, ye…

Well, dear, unlike you, some of us have jobs and are productive members of society. Sometimes we're busy. Hope to win Lotto so I kin post here all day.

What, you're reneging on your promise never to speak in our mother tongue? Por Vida! Que Horor! Madre mia!

A...a...a, you are inventing claims again.  Can you prove that I made such a promise? But hold on, if you are really observant, you should have seen that my Filipino posts are in parenthesis, that is a symbol of partiality.  Get it?  I just became nice to those who thought I always turn my nose up when I post solely in English.

Now, your being busy is acceptable, but I guess nobody will believe you when you said that I am not a productive member of society.  Hag, there is really something wrong with you.  For one, I am not just an elementary teacher who receives the same salary as you do.  I guess you have to work two months to have 1-month equivalence of my salary.  Ergo, I am more productive than you.  Rest assured of that!

And by the way, have you accidentally typed "can" for "kin"? (Uyy, bisaya man gyud kang daku, pareha man ta...unya ra, mas maayo ug chada-chada ra ba ko...he he he )

And please wait as I post further in this thread...

[blubinginone]

Hehehe, your counter-arguments are mile-wide and inch-thck.

Here's what you said so far:
1.   More defense of Fr. Reuter's article [or whoever wrote it]. It clearly states that the only hope is prayer, why second guess the 
      writer when it is clearly stated there? ["Is there hope?, yes prayer"]. It could not be any clearer.
2.   You have lost your way in your vebose reply. It's very simple, really.
      Your thinking goes like this: Ya, Philippines is poor because we have never really prayed as a people [your words, not mine].
      I say, of course we pray, Arroyo prays a lot, many with her. Then you go on to show a graph that we are not on a downward spiral
      after all, therefore we are not poor, therefore prayer works. So, are we poor or not? Make up your mind, please.
3.   More of the same, spiritual defense, when I have written a caveat that I would write an anti-religious post. [why so defensive when
     you could have NOT read them?]
4.   BP is an idiot
5.   BP's argument is in disarray
6.   BP is trying to prove verbosity [whe she is not, just outlining alternatives to prayer]
7.   BP is deceiving
8.   BP uses rhetoric and is superficial; more explanation of the use of "rhetoric"
9.   BP "might be a good Christian" [I am not a Christian, I'm a non-practicing buddhist. ASSUME = makes an ass of u and me]
10. BP's argument is useless

So, in short there is no real argument, rather a list of ad-hominem attacks. A wise man once told me: It's easy to claim you are a giant, just say everyone else is a dwarf! Sad to say you took this route, then, ironically, state you are glad I don't tease you. Uhmmm, can you say hypocritical and self-serving?

So, BB1, while you were singing "Tail Away" have you and Fr. Reuter thought of other suggestions to improve the lot of us besides prayer? I have already outlined for you why I don't think PRAYER is the answer simply 'coz it isn't true. Because, honey, the Philippines holds the franchise to prayer, Christian prayer that is. We are the most prayingest people in the world.

Summary of my initial post:
- The Philippines is the only Christian nation in Asia, and yet one of the poorest and most corrupt. [why is that? Comments?]

- Religion, belief in god, being humble, prayer, and spirituality will not "save the nation" [as suggested by the article]. Many people already humbled and living in humble circumstances. Many crying to God for help. The article falsely suggests that turning to god will save us from financial troubles. No real suggstions, just mere soothing words.

- Stop looking to the church for answers to our daily struggle and survival for the following reasons:
a) unmarried men advising others on how to rear families [comments?]
b) the Catholic church not teaching flock effective family resource mgt., rather, "yeah, go ahead raise a family"
c) virulent attacks on family planning and contraceptives that would have helped in population control [see above]
d) the above leading to scarcity of resources, which is helped along by the church

- Stop depending on politicians. Stop padrino system, stop culture of handouts and literally begging from government.

- Look to ourselves for improvement, look to our families for support.

- Think for ouselves. Apply self control, and logic on a personal basis, then expand to other areas of life.

- Stop "good time", "gimmik", and "showing off". Stop borrowing money for parties.

I really feel so sorry for the fate of my opponent in this thread whom I rather not mention the name as it begins to make me puke.  She has shown more than ever her ostentatious verbosity which tantamount to her being a dead loss.  I was never wrong.  Below is her losing and useless grandiloquence:

- More defense of Fr. Reuter's article [or whoever wrote it]. It clearly states that the only hope is prayer, why second guess the writer when it is clearly stated there? ["Is there hope?, yes prayer"]. It could not be any clearer.

Where in any of my arguments has prayer been mentioned as the only hope?  Prayers and actions are what the Philippines needs to make herself better.  This is and was my contention.  My opponent has concluded many times about the contrary and she very well knows what “red herring” is in debates.  She is just really fond of enjoying being gunned down by her own words ergo, a living masochist.

- You have lost your way in your vebose reply. It's very simple, really.  Your thinking goes like this: Ya, Philippines is poor because we have never really prayed as a people [your words, not mine].  I say, of course we pray, Arroyo prays a lot, many with her. Then you go on to show a graph that we are not on a downward spiral after all, therefore we are not poor, therefore prayer works. So, are we poor or not? Make up your mind, please.
- BP is an idiot
- BP's argument is in disarray

My opponent has already stumbled posting the correct words including mile-wide and inch-thck plus ad-hominem (erratic typo errors) which should be mile wide (no hyphen) and an inch deep (not inch-thck) and ad hominem (also no hyphen), as far as I know; and this clearly showed her panic moments.  Her counter arguments are by-products of grumbling defense to her stand in this issue which is actually weak and pathetic, as she disregards the evident truth about the success of the Aquino and Ramos regimes at least with regard to the Philippines’ GNP.  I never mentioned Arroyo’s GNP performance because I am not privy to the information.  The downward spiral in our GNP might be evident from the time Estrada took over, but not during the former mentioned regimes where prayers and actions were combined to give hope for the Philippines.  So, it is not correct to say that the Philippines has been in downward spiral even during the times of Aquino and Ramos.  These two leaders manifested a great deal of enthusiasm praying and acting to uplift our country during their reigns.

As to her insinuation of making up my mind regarding the poorness of the Philippines, this is just what I want to say, “Please, brush up as I never claimed anything in the contrary!”

From the above, I draw the conclusion that my opponent is not only in disarray, but also in a hopeless state.  Her arguments are trash meant for the morgue.

- BP is trying to prove verbosity [whe she is not, just outlining alternatives to prayer]
- BP is deceiving

No, my opponent did not outline alternatives to prayer but enumerated her reasons of disbelief to prayer.  If she is taking her reasons as alternatives, it could mean that somewhere along her “brainline” lies the belief that prayer might work just like her supposed alternatives; because alternatives are alternatives, they might work instead of another.  Is there any way we can count on her words? She is a real great deceiver.

- BP uses rhetoric and is superficial; more explanation of the use of "rhetoric"
- BP's argument is useless

I don’t like to think that my opponent does not understand the word rhetoric as she is a very well known “dictionary pleader” and I won’t succumb to her stupidity in this regard; so much so that I now consider all her arguments, not her suggestions though, useless.

- More of the same, spiritual defense, when I have written a caveat that I would write an anti-religious post. [why so defensive when you could have NOT read them?]
- BP "might be a good Christian" [I am not a Christian, I'm a non-practicing buddhist. ASSUME = makes an ass of u and me]

At this point, I am closing my arguments.  Yes, my opponent enumerated valuable alternatives to prayer as hopes for the Philippines to get better, but all those suggestions are considered worthless as she believes in them.  My opponent’s beliefs are worthless because she specifically stated in the beginning that she doesn’t believe in beliefs.  Those words are not merely semantics but the basic interpretation of her stand as she took them as one of her primary declarations.  And even a Grade 4 student whom she mentioned as a predisposing factor would only think the same nonetheless. 

She bangs her mouth feigning that she does not believe in prayer as a hope and even seemingly disregards it as a tool for development, but she prays for sure.  She mentioned that she is not a Christian, but a non-practicing buddhist and, of course, buddhists pray; and they pray a lot even to heroic statues.  She contemplates that people should look at one’s self for improvement and how would buddhists do this?  Of course, they will ask guidance of gods and goddesses.  Of course, they will pray even if they are not practicing the faith as what my opponent claims.  And so, it is evident again that my opponent is in quandary as to how she will resolve the predicaments she herself created. 

Yes, I agree with her that there is no real argument, although not from my side but hers.  As you could see, her arguments are always decorated with her previous notions in this issue.  There are few new ideas which she presents and this is the moment when well debaters consider the end.   So, yes, this is the end.

I am leaving this thread with an option for my opponent to deliver her closing remarks.  In this state too, I am starting a poll for SP forummers to start voting for the winner in this debate.  SP forummers, please be the judge.

Your individual votes and comments (Filipino or English) will be counted and noted in order to give light to the finality of this issue.  Plus, when this thread goes a long way via your posted judgements, Master J, being the thread starter, will win in the longest thread contest; and for sure, nobody would like to defeat Master J.  So, what are you waiting for!  Enjoy posting your judgements.  Let Master J win!  Hooray!

[blubinginone]

Please, guys, cast your vote for the winner in this thread.

You can also leave a comment in Filipino or whatever language you so desire.

Just wanna hear your thoughts about why our country is poor...

(intellectual lang, walang personalan, promise!!)  unless I am provoked...(ay, ano na naman ba yun?) 

[blubinginone]

(Kakatakot pag nagbwabwahaha ka, promise).....but I will always keep my faith as advised by my sweet Steven.

And, I am too smart for your above closing, again useless, argument.  Yes, I am too smart for this and I have already said all my piece.  You have dared me to the fullest by deceiving the world that my Steven is yours.  I will let you pay for it and be punished!

(Sampal...sampal...sampal...mang-aagaw!...haliparot!...kiri!...) Steven, please help me.  Defend me!  Start voting, please!

[buddhist punk]

Hahahaha! Okay, since Steven is mine already, you are obviously lost in thought (unfamiliar territory for you), and I'm in a generous mood, I will help you argue this point. Following, herewith, is a plausible argument versus my original one (just because I can):

"BP, notwithstanding your caveat at the beginning, your post is particularly offensive to me because I am a practicing and believing Christian who prays to Jesus a lot. Knowing that it is useless to argue religious opinion, let me just say a few things in favor of prayer in general, and about Fr. Reuter's comment in particular.

As a Catholic priest, it is Fr. Reuter's job to rally the faithful; you may disagree with him that prayer is all that we are left with now to help us out of poverty, but that is his job. We cannot expect anything less from him. We should give him credit for having the cojones for stating what is apparently an unpopular idea: that prayer actually works. People are getting more and more into immoral activities and this is exactly the shot in the arm that we, as a people, should be getting to improve the Philippines. Improve the morality, improve our lives.

[BB1, the above is such a brilliant comeback, I'm surprised you didn't mention it. You are not up to the task, I think.]

As for prayer, you may not believe in prayer anymore, but many people do and they also believe in its efficacy. The jury is still out on the empirical evidence for prayer**, however there is circumstantial and psychological evidence of its efficacy. For one, it unites this divided nation, helping us to focus on problems; it helps us to meditate seriously about the situation we are in and creates a sense of community. It may even inspire a few good ideas that may directly solve our fiscal problems. Again, we go back to prayer as helping to develop our moral moorings to weed out corruption and greed in government."

Tres facile, ne' c'est pas?

**See website: http://www.springerlink.com/content/w77g4741xjpl1m68/

[blubinginone]

Hmmmm.....just because you can?...Baloney!

By this, you are accepting you run out of contentions, that is why you are diverting your stand.  I would like to thank you for revealing yourself, but my tongue is tied due to the ineffectiveness of your supposed plausibility.  What I can probably do is to acknowledge your efforts, as it appears that you have toiled so hard to make this up - consuming your entire Saturday thinking about winning over.  You are such a grand loser!

Sorry, dear.  People are not as stupid as you are, not to see your act's reflection.  The image is so vivid.  This is a "Call to Perfection".  You realized that you cannot turn your back on and you are resorting to this cheap tactic.  This tactic is overused in your minimal victory over Proud Pinoy.  This is not just cheap, but also rusty, I may say.

This debate thread has been moved to closure and we should just wait for the verdict. 

Losers' ways are your ways, not to mention, they are overly fallacious.

[blubinginone]

Hahahaha! Okay, since Steven is mine already, you are obviously lost in thought (unfamiliar territory for you), and I'm in a generous mood, I will help you argue this point. Following, herewith, is a plausible argument versus my original one (just because I can):

Well, you are definitely knowledgable about my weakness and my fear.  Yes, I am affected, but not to the extent of believing that my Steven is yours; because that is a hell lot of illusion!

You have spoken grandiosely eversince about non sequitur, ad hominem, etc.; but you are merely putting them against yourself.  This time you are using argumentum ad baculum.  A...a...a...it could have been effective in the beginning, but it is too late, my dear.  I cannot be shaken because my sweet Steven has already told me to keep the faith and I am keeping it a thousandfold.  Plus, plus, plus, he sealed it with a kiss.  Oh, what a way to live!  I actually feel resurrected! 

Have you felt this way with your combo concoction?  Mine is Steven Kiss+Steven Faith+Steven Hotness combo.  I bet you like to taste it too!

You've got to find your own, haggy baby!

[ajarn_ph]

The poverty can be eliminated if everybody can eat. If the food is cheap and especially the primary commodity, everybody can buy and survive. Everybody needs a job or work, too. We may be poor with few money, worse if we think poorly. Will you agree that our country is poor because of the past and present corruption? Do you also believe that the worse is the escalating population? They are two questions but two answers to the topic above. It will be very interesting if the question is challenging like, "How can we make our country rich"? Filipinos may be rich in idea. Most of it is ideal and not real. Let us work by time and with effort, to be practical and tell the new Filipino generation what is the best thing to do.

[blubinginone]

The poverty can be eliminated if everybody can eat. If the food is cheap and especially the primary commodity, everybody can buy and survive. Everybody needs a job or work, too. We may be poor with few money, worse if we think poorly. Will you agree that our country is poor because of the past and present corruption? Do you also believe that the worse is the escalating population? They are two questions but two answers to the topic above. It will be very interesting if the question is challenging like, "How can we make our country rich"? Filipinos may be rich in idea. Most of it is ideal and not real. Let us work by time and with effort, to be practical and tell the new Filipino generation what is the best thing to do.

Nice suggestion, Ajarn!   You can very well start that suggested thread, but it is almost the same as this and it is up to you.

Meanwhile, I strongly and humbly request you to please start the votation.  You can comment as well in Filipino or English.

Do I have to say please?  Okay then, please start the votation.  I will greatly appreciate it.

[Woz]

9. You have the right to remain silent
10. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law   

[lengradwilson]

I will go for BB1... It's normal for the inventor to take side of his invention....

[blubinginone]

I will forever claim that I have said everything needed in this debate thread.  Repetition is only meant for the incomprehensible few like the greatest impostor of all time!  And as great impostor as she is, BP will just always mangle words to turn things around.  That is what she is only good at, period!

Honey loser, it is too late.  This debate thread is up for judgement. 

Can’t you see? I already earned one (1) vote and until you don’t have one, I am the winner because…

I am Blubinginone and I am Legend!  And I always keep the faith in my sweet Steven and this is mine sweetest victory...mine...mine!!!

 

[ajarn_ph]

please read the subject or question above:

some pinoy will blame the natural disasters or calamities. others will blame corruption and population growth. we are also becoming more poor in mind if we keep going on our childish ways while we are old enough and in maturity age. do the better constructive manner. start from mental work or thinking well, say the words that everyone loves to hear, take action if one can do. thank you.

[desmond]

wala po sanang magalit, opinion ko lang po ito...

mahirap po ang pinas kasi maraming walang trabaho...o kulang ang sinasahod...

bakit po maraming walang trabaho? kasi po takot ang mga foreigners to invest in our country...or those who did already run away to their country or to other 'safer' countries..

bakit po sila takot maginvest sa ating bansa o bakit sila nagalisan? kasi po due to unstable political climate and rampant crime and corruption...

bakit po rampant ang crime? kasi po madaming walang trabaho
bakit po laganap ang corruption? kasi po madaming gahaman sa pinas

siguro po kung mapabalik natin ang tiwala ng foreign investors, medyo masosolve na po ang ating problema...the biggest problem would be kung pano lilipulin ang corrupt sa gubyerno natin...

yun lang po...bow...

[yllorco]

How can we win back the trust of the investors when the Philippines has been branded the next Afghan by the former US ambassador Joseph Mussomeli? .