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[Madam H]

'Just want to get the opinion of SP browsers/members about the issue raised in Abel Cadias' article in our front page titled, "Which is Which..."

Warning: we are not going to tolerate silliness or nonrelevant posts in this thread. This is a serious matter needing everybody's input. Thanks, and we look forward to your opinion/s on this.

So folks, what comes to mind after reading Abel's article? Are you affected by it? Yes/No? Why/Why not?

[Steve St. John]

For me, i'll give U a chance. It seems that they're quiet sincere.       

[lengradwilson]

It's normal that in one place, there are several organizations which have more or less the same missions and objectives.  With regards to "which is which? is it the U or the A?,"  I would say that they are both good.  This is not a competition of which is better.  Both organizations should have its own role in uniting and helping Filipinos here in Thailand, and it is a big responsibility, in which I know, that the people behind those two organizations are aware of.

 

[Madam H]

Thanks Lengrad and Steven for your posts. Guys, any comments on the fact that the AFT is said to be the one that is registered at the Ministry of Cultural Affairs in Thailand?

But on the other hand, the UFT is gearing up to become the "umbrella" Filipino association in Thailand?

Just curious as to what people think about it. It's always great to hear other people's point of view.

[lengradwilson]

Who decide as to which organization will be the umbrella organization?  If those authorized to decide appointed UFT, then that's okay... Let us support the organization....

[sasygirl]

I've read the article of Abel and its really not good to know that we, filipinos are competing to one another!!!
If the aim of these group is to unite, help and support less fortunate pinoy here in thailand ( kasama ako dun.), well good! it doesn't matter if its U or A  the most important is that, they show sincerity  ( not ningas kugon ) in building up this org for pinoy!

but, on my own opinion, the United Filipinos in Thailand is better! ('coz I also browsed the website..)
what do you think madam H?

[lengradwilson]

Irony, dichotomy, hypocrisy.

How do TWO or more 'umbrella' groups UNITE all other groups?

unity = the state of being ONE; oneness [dictionary.com]

One or all of these groups should stop claiming to unite Filipinos [like herding cats, I hear] or get used to the idea that, like the Matrix, there can only be one. In my never to be humble opinon, some people need a refresher course in either English or ethics.

Who says there'll be two or more umbrella groups?.....

And who says the situation of these organizations is the same as with the Matrix?.....

Unity - absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character, oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement, the state or quality of being in accord; harmony, singleness or constancy of purpose or action; continuity.....

[Madam H]

I've read the article of Abel and its really not good to know that we, filipinos are competing to one another!!!
If the aim of these group is to unite, help and support less fortunate pinoy here in thailand ( kasama ako dun.), well good! it doesn't matter if its U or A  the most important is that, they show sincerity  ( not ningas kugon ) in building up this org for pinoy!

but, on my own opinion, the United Filipinos in Thailand is better! ('coz I also browsed the website..)
what do you think madam H?

I am reserving my vote as to which one is the better organization, as we are friends with many of the officers in both organizations, and we also have plans for joint projects with many different organizations. What I believe, though, is that Abel's questions ought to be given by everyone of us a lot of thought. That's one reason why I started this thread.

[lengradwilson]

I've read the article of Abel and its really not good to know that we, filipinos are competing to one another!!!
If the aim of these group is to unite, help and support less fortunate pinoy here in thailand ( kasama ako dun.), well good! it doesn't matter if its U or A  the most important is that, they show sincerity  ( not ningas kugon ) in building up this org for pinoy!

but, on my own opinion, the United Filipinos in Thailand is better! ('coz I also browsed the website..)
what do you think madam H?

I am reserving my vote as to which one is the better organization, as we are friends with many of the officers in both organizations, and we also have plans for joint projects with many different organizations. What I believe, though, is that Abel's questions ought to be given by everyone of us a lot of thought. That's one reason why I started this thread.

So there's really a competition huh?

[LAPU-LAPU]

initially i would humbly say, it is really better to work together.

if a rift exist between the two, then it would turn off members and it would not be good for everybody.

we all know it is very hard. tendencies for friction always exist, it is a given, in fact it is normal for a competetive environment, or else everything would be boring.

however, a polarizing effect from the friction really makes things move much more slower. and deadlier.

so a very wise statesman/woman should appear amongst us. to lead us to a one direction.

my thoughts.

peace yo!

[lengradwilson]

Irony, dichotomy, hypocrisy.

How do TWO or more 'umbrella' groups UNITE all other groups?

unity = the state of being ONE; oneness [dictionary.com]

One or all of these groups should stop claiming to unite Filipinos [like herding cats, I hear] or get used to the idea that, like the Matrix, there can only be one. In my never to be humble opinon, some people need a refresher course in either English or ethics.

Who says there'll be two or more umbrella groups?.....

And who says the situation of these organizations is the same as with the Matrix?.....

Unity - absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character, oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement, the state or quality of being in accord; harmony, singleness or constancy of purpose or action; continuity.....

OH. MY. GOD. The depths of your comprehension problem is fathomless. Read Abel's article, then re-read Madam H's original post. Then you will understand. The reference to pop culture is....oh never mind. [why do I always get stuck with the idiots?]

(because you are learning from the idiots)

[C_Pinoy]

Irony, dichotomy, hypocrisy.

How do TWO or more 'umbrella' groups UNITE all other groups?

unity = the state of being ONE; oneness [dictionary.com]

One or all of these groups should stop claiming to unite Filipinos [like herding cats, I hear] or get used to the idea that, like the Matrix, there can only be one. In my never to be humble opinon, some people need a refresher course in either English or ethics.

Who says there'll be two or more umbrella groups?.....

And who says the situation of these organizations is the same as with the Matrix?.....

Unity - absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character, oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement, the state or quality of being in accord; harmony, singleness or constancy of purpose or action; continuity.....

OH. MY. GOD. The depths of your comprehension problem is fathomless. Read Abel's article, then re-read Madam H's original post. Then you will understand. The reference to pop culture is....oh never mind. [why do I always get stuck with the idiots?]

Given Madam H's warning, I was initially thinking of reading Abel's article before joining this thread. Pero your words in brackets really made me laugh!

Mabasa nga yong article in Abel para di ako masita.

Happy songkran!!!

[buddhist punk]

Given Madam H's warning, I was initially thinking of reading Abel's article before joining this thread. Pero your words in brackets really made me laugh!

Mabasa nga yong article in Abel para di ako masita.

Happy songkran!!!

Happy songkran din!

Oist, anukaba? You know that there's a special language for willfull idiocy and another [better] for honest mistakes. hehehe. Chill, just post.

[ProudPinoy]

Kailangan ba talagang pumili?

Bakit tayo magiging *position oriented o *group oriented?

Tipong kikilos lang dahil nasa grupo o may posisyon.

Hindi ko na kailangang maging manok para malaman na bugok ang itlog.

[Madam H]

Kailangan ba talagang pumili?

Bakit tayo magiging *position oriented o *group oriented?

Tipong kikilos lang dahil nasa grupo o may posisyon.

Hindi ko na kailangang maging manok para malaman na bugok ang itlog.

Nope, Proud pinoy, you don't need to choose. Your comment already answers my initial query.
Thanks for posting! 

[scrubnurse]

poor me. I never knew such groups existed until I read about it in SP and had a chat with defect sometime ago.

There ain't no A or U in our little corner of Bangkok (the 40+ pinoys workng at Yanhee International Hospital) but we are all living in peace and unity hehehe

[lengradwilson]

Kailangan ba talagang pumili?

Bakit tayo magiging *position oriented o *group oriented?

Tipong kikilos lang dahil nasa grupo o may posisyon.

Hindi ko na kailangang maging manok para malaman na bugok ang itlog.

Right.... Stop the bickering of which or who is the better, it defeats the purpose of creating an organization....

Wherever you are comfortable, then join there.... just do your part well...

[anton-2008]

I think we have to come up with the best interest. I don't see any reason to choose. It will be best to support both orgs. Besides, both orgs. are helping us. Why get one if you can have both?

[buddhist punk]

I think we have to come up with the best interest. I don't see any reason to choose. It will be best to support both orgs. Besides, both orgs. are helping us. Why get one if you can have both?

Great point Anton, and from all who've said their 2 satangs worth.

The reason behind the question of the OP is, both groups claim to be "the" umbrella group of all other Pinoy groups. Abel's article explains it well. We all know we can only have one president, one prime minister, one CEO, not many. Diba magulo yon, not to mention there will be overlapping of objectives and activities?

At saka sabi nga sa Bible, "...No man can serve two masters. For he will love one and hate the other..." That is Bible-speak for "we will favor one over the other" and not necessarily "hate" the way we understand hate today. Paano kung nagsabay ang activities or kung pareho ang activities that you are obliged to attend or support? Thus the question.

[anton-2008]

Hmmmnn!!!! You're right Buddhistp.  It seems that this matter is too complicated to decide. I think the best thing to do is, both parties need to talk and discuss this matter. They should come up with great ideas and fair decision for them and for the Filipinos. They should treat this as an internal problem. If both orgs will try to expose and compete each other this will hurt the Filipinos here and the orgs as well. It's just like putting a bomb on your own building. This case is no different in PBA or SBP. They both want to represent the country in international competition. But it ended up the Philippines as no representative. The FIBA suspended our country from participating in any International competition due to a conflict created by our great leaders. This fate might happen in this case. We should learn our lessons from the past.